Re: Just for discussion.

[Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>]

On 7/21/2020 5:48 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 7/21/2020 6:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 7/21/2020 2:31 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>> On 7/21/2020 4:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 7/21/2020 12:35 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/21/2020 3:07 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:20 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 2:10 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 9:01 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:18 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 4:06 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:12 PM, RTS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 7:19 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:51 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 1:20:58 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, no matter how few!!  :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I received a call from a customer that said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning a police officer showed up and asked if there was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The office manager said; "No, I just got here at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office 20 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago.  The officer said; "County Control received a call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number here with no one on the other end when answered."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turns out the number that called 911 was their Fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number. I was called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to investigate what may have happened.  The Fax number is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also used for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Line #2 to the Fire Panel.  The line used is a POTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an outside Demarc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After it was determined that it was the Fax the Office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manager turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I arrived I checked the line and all was as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be. Only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two devices connected to the line, Fax and Fire Panel.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the line to my cell to verify the number.  I checked the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demarc and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all looked and worked as it should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I connected my Butt Set at the Fax Machine and put on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker. Turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on and nothing.  Then sent a Fax to my office, Ok.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I called the County Control Center and talked to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supervisor who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verified just one call at 7:51am.  He had their Tech Guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later.  Basically we determined it to be an unsolved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mystery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although I did express a theory that would fit the scenario.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A teenage snot that just wanted to have fun took a old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone and opened up the Demarc box and plugged into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.  Dialed 911 and after the first ring hung up. Closed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box and hid behind a bush snickering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tech Guy liked that 'maybe' but then told me a true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tomato.  Officer was dispatched a house with a active
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called 911.  Approached and asked the lady of the house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in her garden if everything was ok??  She said yes, why??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Officer explained and they went into the house to check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What was found was a tomato sitting on the window sill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far to long,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had started to leak juice.  The juice trail went down the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wall and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto the phone sitting below.  Juice got into the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and shorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the 9 & 1 on the DTMF pad and made the call.  WOW!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato and phone were placed in the trash bin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, that is the start of the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone care to contribute??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One question leading to one very remote possibility is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the CS telephone number have nines and or ones in it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another question leading to another remote possibility is"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking that if it's a DTMF line that it probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has rotary dial capability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Land lines are becoming more and more of a problem as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telcos ignore them and as they try to switch everyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiber or cellular.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe an intermittent connection (?) coincedently and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately dialed 911. Any crackling or static on the line?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And ya know?  I've always had this bad feeling about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomatoes. Ya know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something about them -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But celery on the other hand -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not hear any crackling or static on the line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, then again I am on the deaf side of things with high
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing loss.  However, it is something I should check with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ear sometime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did ask the question about the back numbers to 911.  Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there were at least 10 or so that would get there.  Was not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they were.  Either way with just a Fax and the Fire panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to the line it does seem a bit odd for a 3 digit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 digit number to be dialed in some way to get through.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato or no tomato.  ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd blame the local telco,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had one here which cross connected over a hundred lines
>>>>>>>>>>>> from 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> different towns.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Talk about old style party lines......
>>>>>>>>>>>> It seemed that the 2 towns were serviced by the same telco
>>>>>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>>>>>> house..
>>>>>>>>>>>> An in-house cable upgrade was the cause,  they had cross
>>>>>>>>>>>> connected the
>>>>>>>>>>>> lines when changing out the old cable and the tech "forgot"
>>>>>>>>>>>> to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>> the old cable from the ckts..  (or so they said)    LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> RTS
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, good point Rocky,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been in buildings that have had phone company punch
>>>>>>>>>>> down blocks
>>>>>>>>>>> with Teclo lines there that were for another building.  The
>>>>>>>>>>> numbers were
>>>>>>>>>>> totally unrelated to the in house business.  Telco just used
>>>>>>>>>>> it as a
>>>>>>>>>>> splice block for the area.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been in a lot of businesses like that.  Where the entire
>>>>>>>>>> cable down an alley is brought into every building on that
>>>>>>>>>> street.  Its annoying as hell, but it does allow for easier
>>>>>>>>>> redistribution of resources as businesses change.  It also
>>>>>>>>>> allows for savy people to eavesdrop on conversations and/or
>>>>>>>>>> steal service with little effort. I don't recall the details,
>>>>>>>>>> but some couple decades ago there was a federal regulation
>>>>>>>>>> change that phone companies had to make it easier for fed to
>>>>>>>>>> execute wiretaps.  I don't recall all the details, but that
>>>>>>>>>> was around the same time I stared seeing a lot of 50 and 100
>>>>>>>>>> pair cables looped into new buildings and new plant
>>>>>>>>>> improvements projects. I always thought the two were
>>>>>>>>>> connected. With the newer digital CO switches I always
>>>>>>>>>> wondered why they just didn't have a data link into the COs.
>>>>>>>>>> Some rural exchanges still had mechanical switches at the time
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the extra Tidd Bits, I just knew you would contribute
>>>>>>>>> some good stuff!!  It would seem that we ALL have seen the loop
>>>>>>>>> holes.
>>>>>>>>> I had a day "waaaaay back" that I was out in the country and no
>>>>>>>>> payphones around and I needed to make a phone call.  I was soooooo
>>>>>>>>> tempted to pop open Demarc on the nearest house, hook up my
>>>>>>>>> Butt Set and make the call.  BUT, I controlled myself!!!!  I am
>>>>>>>>> sure I wasn't the
>>>>>>>>> first to have the thought.  I am sure it has happened.....
>>>>>>>>> somewhere!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It doesn't help of course that you can buy a butt set at Home
>>>>>>>> Depot or Lowes these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Absolute agreement!!!
>>>>>>> Which adds to the scenario I posed being a possibility!!  :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is another more sinister if probably unlikely possibility.
>>>>>> The cops wanted a look around and made it up.  How legit is the
>>>>>> client?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember it is not against the law for them to lie to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL Really??  The cops will/can actually do that??
>>>>> I see the makings of a new movie..................
>>>>> I guess anything is possible...............
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTWÂ  This Fax (number) is in a local town borough office.
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep.  They can and will although usually you only hear about it in
>>>> an interrogation.  Sometimes they will do it to try and get you to
>>>> doubt your own memory.  "Oh, I've been with the department since
>>>> 19xx, and no officer by that name ever existed.  Certainly not at
>>>> the rank and position you claim."Â  No shit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>> Hmmmmmmm sounds like you were on the wrong end of the stick.
>>> And you remember it well!! Sorry to hear.  It is too bad that
>>> kind of stuff has to happen.
>>>
>>> But, then again it is unlikely it will never change given the
>>> condition of the human psychic.  We can wish for better, doesn't mean
>>> we will ever get it.  Years ago I had purchased some furniture from a
>>> guy I worked with.  Found out later that he was arrested for property
>>> theft.
>>>
>>> I reported to State Police that I had two pieces and wanted to get them
>>> out of my apartment.  Was asked by the officer on the case to come to
>>> the police barracks to make the report.  Turns out that two detectives
>>> started to imply that I was involved in the theft or I should have known
>>> the furniture was hot because of the low price that paid. It was about
>>> time my button got pushed.  I gave them a piece of my mind, demanded
>>> that they get the furniture removed from my apartment and walked out.
>>> I ended up calling again in two weeks and told the detective that if the
>>> stuff was not picked up that day I was going to put it out in the
>>> parking lot and they can come by at any time to get it.  He was there
>>> within the hour.  Ended up as a witness for the prosecution and had to
>>> sit outside the courtroom for 3 days counting bricks on the wall. '763'
>>> He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge or something.  Huge PITA!!!
>>>
>>> Yes, I remember it well!!
>>>
>>> As well as a very few other police moments in my life.
>>> Some I won, some not so much.  All minor issues.
>>> As I understand the "statutes of limitations" have expired.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>
>> Actually I was first told about lying to people as a matter of course
>> in class at ALETA.  Since then I've stood there and listened to COPs
>> lie to people (and a couple times to me) while I just mentally shook
>> my head.
>>
>> The worst part is if you lie to them during the course of their
>> official duties you can be charged for it.  (never happened to me)
>> Its best to remain silent.
>>
>> Just google (or bing if you prefer) Are The Police Allowed To Lie?
>>
>>
>
> Let me be the first to say(type).
>
> This little discussion has certainly taken a bit of a twist.
> Thanks Bob, for the 'Extra' input!!
>
> Les
>
>


Yeah, sorry about that Les.