Re: UL trying to get rid of combo panels

[Crash <robosama@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jul 12, 7:17=A0pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 8:02=A0pm, "Russell Brill" <russwbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Jul 12, 12:59 pm, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 11, 2:02 pm, "Russell Brill" <russwbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrot=
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> > > >> >>> On Jul 6, 10:05 am, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > >> >>> > >> >> Napco does have a new panel coming out that claims to =
meet
> > > >> >>> > >> >> all
> > > >> >>> > >> >> the
> > > >> >>> > >> >> latest
> > > >> >>> > >> >> standards. Its finaling at UL, and they have listed it=
 on
> > > >> >>> > >> >> their
> > > >> >>> > >> >> website.
> > > >> >>> > >> >> I
> > > >> >>> > >> >> am on the beta list.
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> > > >> >>> > >> > It looks awesome just hope it is cant wait to get my ha=
nds
> > > >> >>> > >> > on
> > > >> >>> > >> > one
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> > > >> >>> > >> Well, I have to say if they have isolated power circuits =
for
> > > >> >>> > >> burg/fire/access and true two line monitoring it should b=
e
> > > >> >>> > >> set.
> > > >> >>> > >> Now
> > > >> >>> > >> if
> > > >> >>> > >> they
> > > >> >>> > >> could come up with a dual band primary rated cell using G=
SM
> > > >> >>> > >> *AND*
> > > >> >>> > >> CDMA so
> > > >> >>> > >> it
> > > >> >>> > >> could knock on AES's back door and eliminate the need for
> > > >> >>> > >> phone
> > > >> >>> > >> lines I
> > > >> >>> > >> would be ecstatic.
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> > > >> >>> > >> I always thought Caddx would have gone that way if they h=
adn't
> > > >> >>> > >> sold
> > > >> >>> > >> out.
> > > >> >>> > >> I
> > > >> >>> > >> guess their P&L never caught up with their R&D costs.
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> > > >> >>> > > DMP now has a stand alone cell unit UL Fire Comm Knock Kno=
ck
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> > > >> >>> > Does it meet TWO (2) line requirements?
>
> > > >> >>> > If not why bother? Uplink and Telular both have single line =
fire
> > > >> >>> > primary
> > > >> >>> > rated communicators already, and I don't have to promise a f=
irst
> > > >> >>> > born
> > > >> >>> > son to
> > > >> >>> > buy from them.
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> > > >> >>> I think Honeywell has one as well
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> > > >> >> DMP piece is stand alone with out having to use the extra phone=
 line
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> > > >> > It meets the requirement for two separate communications paths? =
Do
> > > >> > you
> > > >> > know how it meets that requirement? Does it use and check in on =
both
> > > >> > GSM
> > > >> > and CDMA every 24hrs? If not how does it meet the requirement? O=
f
> > > >> > course
> > > >> > even if it does DMP wouldn't sell to me anyway, but I am curious=
. It
> > > >> > can't be a
>
> > > >> I wouldn't take the "Not Selling to you" thing personally, they pu=
ll
> > > >> that
> > > >> S**T in my area too... FYI: They seem to be taking the low road li=
ke a
> > > >> lot
> > > >> of the other manufacturers have by jumping into the Lick & Stick
> > > >> market.
> > > >> Have you seen their new product yet? Take a looks
> > > >> seehttp://dmp.com/XTL...
> > > >> All of the Door-to-Door companies will probably be selling it next
> > > >> summer.
> > > >> So far Bosch hasn't lowered themselves to that level yet, hopefull=
y
> > > >> they
> > > >> never will... Come to think of it, Napco doesn't make a all in one=
 lick
> > > >> &
> > > >> stick system either... It sounds like they (Napco) have been spend=
ing
> > > >> the
> > > >> last couple of years designing some new product lines that only Tr=
ained
> > > >> PROFESSIONALS can install, hmmm image that :-)
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> > > > Hmmm, I guess that means just you, me and Bob L. ;-)
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> > > Ummm.... I'm pretty much self taught. Does that mean I have to turn i=
n my
> > > Napco discount card?
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> > Russ,
> > why are you saying the XTL is lick & stick? It's not anything like a
> > Lynx if that's what you're getting at.
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> > Hi Crash,
>
> > True, it's not like the Lynx, but I believe you'll have to admit it doe=
sn't
> > look like it requires lots of brains to install... Plug the keypad & co=
ntrol
> > into the nearest outlets, tape (you know tape will be the Norm) sensors=
 to
> > walls, program & send signals, then hand the user guide to the customer=
...
> > According to DMP's video, that can all be done in 35 minutes or
> > less............. Ahhhhhhhh, the quality, it looks like I've been doing
> > things wrong all these years :-))
>
> > Regards,
> > Russ
>
> I never was a big fan of DMP panels, the mid to low-end panels don't
> do as much as other manufacturers, they are a pain to get and require
> a quasi-receiver to download.

The quasi-receiver is just a modem...much like the Compass modem. The
newer panels can be programmed via IP (if IP enabled panel) or Cell
Network (if cell enabled panel).

Russ, yep the XTL is designed for small blow & go installs, the
difference being the motherboard can be hidden anywhere (separate from
the keypad - so throwing it out the window as with a Lynx will do you
no good) and is totally wireless except for power. I think they're too
expensive right now though or I'd buy one to mess around with.