Re: Estou aqui no Recife, Brasil

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Aug 13, 10:46=A0pm, RLB <sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 12:47=A0pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Aug 13, 8:10=A0am, RLB <sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 12, 11:00=A0pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On Aug 12, 7:27=A0am, RLB <sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > On Aug 12, 12:02=A0am, Frank Olson
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> > > > > <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > RLB wrote:
> > > > > > > On Aug 7, 10:58 pm, G. Morgan <usenet_ab...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > >> mleuck wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Does your GF know about your hand?
> > > > > > >> Does your BF know about your gonorrhea?
>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Man is the only animal that laughs and weeps, for he is the =
only animal that is struck with the difference between what things are and =
what they ought to be.
> > > > > > >> =A0 - William Hazlitt
>
> > > > > > > We changed our plans and instead of the bach (too much rain) =
we drove
> > > > > > > about 300km up BR101 to Natal. Were staying (me, GF and anoth=
er girl)
> > > > > > > in a Poussada a block from Praia Ponta Negra (Black Point Bea=
ch).
> > > > > > > Natal is amazing! =A0The people are as friendly as Recifenses=
 and the
> > > > > > > nightlife is out of this world. =A0We went dancing last night=
 at a plaza
> > > > > > > with somewhere around 1,000 people. =A0The plaza is surrounde=
d with open
> > > > > > > air bars, each playing a different style of music and hundred=
s of
> > > > > > > garotas doing the samba in front of each one. =A0I think the =
ratio was
> > > > > > > about 3F/2\M from what I could see without annoying the GF. =
=A0:)
>
> > > > > > > Anyway, having a great time. Glad none of you are here.
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> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Robert
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> > > > > > I'm happy that you're having a good time, Robert.
>
> > > > > Update since last night. Got sick. Im in hospital. Problem with c=
hest,
> > > > > possible pleural effusion. GF brought my laptop so I have somethi=
ng to
> > > > > do between coughing fits, doctor visits and awful meals. :(
> > > > > Doctor says its not the flu but theres an accumulation of fluid i=
n
> > > > > chest. Cant fly home this week. Will have to extend my "vacation"
> > > > > another wk or two.
>
> > > > Keep in mind the wonderful drugs Brazil's 3rd world health care wil=
l
> > > > give you are illegal copies stolen from US drug companies, Brazil
> > > > doesn't feel the need to honor drug patents
>
> > > As always, Leuck is wrong. Now for the facts:
>
> > > The Brazilian government tried for years to negotiate better prices o=
n
> > > US manufactured drugs for AIDS patients. When the huge drug companies
> > > and the US government wouldnt budge, Brazil threatened to manufacture
> > > their own. =A0All of a suden the US drug conglomerates decided it was
> > > time to negotiate. The drugs I received in the hospital for pneumonia
> > > were made in the US and imported to Brazil. =A0Avalox is an antibioti=
c.
> >http://www.scidev.net/en/news/brazil-breaks-patent-on-hivaids-drug.html
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-04-4260160309_x.htm
>
> >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/25633.php
>
> If you took the trouble to actually read the news stories instead of
> just citing hem and pretending that they indicated anything different
> from what I already told you, perhaps you would learn something.
> Following is an excerpt from your first citation:
>
> "BRASILIA, Brazil =97 President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva took steps
> Friday to let Brazil buy an inexpensive generic version of an AIDS
> drug made by Merck & Co. despite the U.S. drug company's patent.
>
> "Silva issued a "compulsory license" that would bypass Merck's patent
> on the AIDS drug efavirenz, a day after the Brazilian government
> rejected Merck's offer to sell the drug at a 30 percent discount, or
> $1.10 per pill, down from $1.57.
>
> "The country was seeking to purchase the drug at 65 cents a pill, the
> same price Thailand pays.
>
> "It was the first time Brazil has bypassed a patent, but Silva said
> Brazil would consider doing so again on any drug sold at unfair
> prices. "Between our business and our health, we are going to take
> care of our health," he said after signing the decree..."

I believe that is what I said from the beginning, they didn't honor
drug patents and chose to steal

> You might take particular notice of the fact that Brazil only asked
> Merck to charge them the same price they charge Thailand for the same
> drug. Merck refused. =A0

That is nothing more than an excuse, they didn't get their way so they
chose instead to steal

> This is similar to the fight between that idiot
> in Venezuela and the US-based oil companies who for decades had been
> ripping off Venezuela for their oil. Venezuela decided to take the
> companies over if they refused to negotiate a fair price for the oil.

No Chavez took the oil companies over because a. he's a socialist
dictator and b. because his economy is failing because of a.

> I hope you never have to fight something as awful as AIDS, Leuck.
> From personal experience fighting cancer for over three years now, I
> can tell you that if some company was gouging me or my government over
> the price of drugs that could extend or save my life, I would be
> delighted if my government decided to treat them as Brazil treated
> Merck.

I'm sure you would, it seems to be your nature