Re: More VOIP/Digital Voice

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> What you fail to recognize is the ability of these large companies to fuel
> more innovation in regards to panels, expansion modules etc, I know
> several
> instances where either ITI/Caddx or Ademco couldn't put out equipment back
> in ye ole days that they can now.
>
> DSC would be dead without Tyco, you will likely never realize the benefits
> these big bad companies have done for you.

Certainly you aren't serious! You have to be trying to pull me leg on this.
Let's see TYCO takes over and gets rid of the (more or less) forever
warranty policy on panels. Then it refuses to fix panels. Then it shortens
the warranty period on the panels. Yes that really helped me. Thanks TYCO.
Boy was I ever stupid to ever think otherwise.
Then  TYCO dumps product lines without warning (all of Communiqué for
example) and then won't fix them. CP-01 comes out and now I can only sell
three panels that DSC makes, that is the 1616, 1832 1864, which are all
really the exact same base panel, just with different chipsets. MAXSYS is
going to be back in a couple of years 'maybe' even though they've know about
CP-01 coming for several years already. Yes that "shows more innovation in
regards to panels". Yes, thanks again TYCO! Oh I forgot to mention that of
those few DSC panels I can use now, some of those have been recalled
already, and I've yet to get the replacements promised, even after crawling
up the factory boys ass in a face to face twice already. They say they are
having trouble with their new on line system and their own factory accounts
are locked up. Man you're right. 'I will likely never realize the benefits
these big bad companies have done for me.' DSC would be dead without Tyco?
Or perhaps TYCO's running of DSC will kill it. I guess, even as big as you
say you are, you're not an AD, Kantech, CEM or Software House dealer. If so
you couldn't have missed the letters the TYCO accounting office sends out
when they get low on cash. It is almost funny to read them. Most of them say
(more or less) we know you're not late but please send cash by XXX date. I
like it when a big company has a cash flow problem and they, in turn, try to
make it mine too. Way to share! If I keep paying invoices early maybe Dennis
will send me an invite to the next Toga party when he gets out.

> Time will tell on that, large companies tend to get too stuck in their
> ways
> and falter like IBM, Sears, GM and Ford.

Maybe it's time to add TYCO to that list too.
Aren't you from Canada? I hear the weed is really powerful and almost legal
there. If it's not too cold you might want to open a window now and then,
because through all that smoke, ironically enough, Bass' point of view is
getting clearer all the time.


"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >I forgot to mention my company is one of the largest if not THE largest
> in
>> >the nation, this has nothing to do with my opinion. I deal with GE and
>> >Honeywell on a daily basis and all I can say is your opinion is
> incorrect.
>>
>> If you're a large company it is less likely that you would have the same
>> issues as a smaller company in competing with the likes of GE or
> Honeywell.
>
> I'm still missing the point, even if GE or Honeywell lowballs the industry
> (which they aren't) you have plenty of choices, you act like you just have
> no other choice but to sit back and take it
>
>>
>> >Well so far they have been doing a miserable job if that is the goal.
>>
>> I agree, but if they ever start doing a good job it could make things at
>> least a little tougher, at worst a lot tougher.
>
> What you fail to recognize is the ability of these large companies to fuel
> more innovation in regards to panels, expansion modules etc, I know
> several
> instances where either ITI/Caddx or Ademco couldn't put out equipment back
> in ye ole days that they can now.
>
> DSC would be dead without Tyco, you will likely never realize the benefits
> these big bad companies have done for you
>
>> > thrown into the fray, nor do I have to support the adversary by
> continuing
>> > to purchase GE gear. There is nothing wrong with that either.
>> >Gee for not seeing anything wrong you sure see a lot of things wrong, do
>> > >you have a solid opinion on ANYTHING?
>>
>> Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, I meant there is nothing wrong with GE
>> chasing their own interests, and at the same time nothing wrong with me
>> as
> a
>> competitor not liking what they are doing when it impacts me.
>
> Thats fine but you sure like whining about it
>
>>
>> > And what you can't seem to understand is GE like those previously
>> > mentioned
>> > companies also faces problems of their own, Big companies like that
>> > tend
>> > over a long period of time to misread the market, react slowly and get
> out
>> > when the going gets tough. GE and Honeywell have a lot of irons in the
>> > fire,
>> > security is just one and both companies have a completely different way
> of
>> > doing business. I deal with them every day.
>>
>> I hope their size helps them to continue to get in there own way.
>
> Time will tell on that, large companies tend to get too stuck in their
> ways
> and faulter like IBM, Sears, GM and Ford
>
>>
>> >> Yes, a bunch. Aleph, Bosch, DMP, Electronics Line, HAI, Inovonics,
> Potter
>> >> Electric, SK and many more.
>> >
>> > Exactly!
>>
>> None of the other companies mentioned is the size of GE and has a go to
>> market plan like GE. I see that plan as trouble. You seem to think that
> they
>> can never get it together and follow their own plan,
>
> No I'm saying I doubt those plans have or ever will affect you because of
> the way the market tends to work over time
>
>> it for no reason. I don't know which is right. I know that it is right
>> for
> a
>> small company like ours not connected with GE to have some concerns. GE
> has
>> hurt the company I work with. Until I see GE as a company that clearly
> helps
>> my company, I am unlikely to go out of my way to help support them.
>
> Which is the real reason why it doesn't matter to you if RLB posts
> passwords
> to their sites or not, deep down you flat out just don't like the company
> and therefore it is okay
>
>