RE: Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems

["Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxxxx>]

Paul

I would second the goodness of HDBaseT

We just completed an install consisting of 8 x 8 Matrix, 4 x Sky3DHD boxes,
1 x Dune Media Server distributed to 7 x 55" TV's, 1 x 3D projector,
upto
65mtrs away all wired in CAT6 via patch panel and wall outlets, and has
been
a 100% success.

Did not use the IR though as was a Control4 job, but have not heard
anything
negative about this side of things.

Not Octavia, but very probably the same internals. Mail me and let me know
what you are looking for and I can check prices.



Dean.



-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Paul Gale
Sent: 19 December 2011 11:08
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems

Thanks - they look great, pricey but good :)

Paul.

-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Neil Ball
Sent: 16 December 2011 17:05
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems

The Octava HD-Base-T extenders are the HDCATS-100 models on the TMF
website.



Neil B.



From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Paul Gale
Sent: 16 December 2011 16:08
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems





Neil, which Octava models are based on HD base T - I couldn't see which
ones
did.

Thanks,

Paul.

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] On Behalf
Of Neil Ball
Sent: 16 December 2011 11:41
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems

I've had 100% success with the Octava HD-Base-T extenders, on cable lengths
of upto 80m and with the cables terminated through RJ45 patch panels and
wall modules. It's the first time I've been able to carry out installs over
distance and have the confidence that it will simply just work. Just
yesterday I popped a unit in for a customer who fitted a new TV in a room
without any coax (but with cat5e), testing the cable showed it was 75m from
patch panel to wall module and I simply plugged up the Octava extender
(including running Ethernet through the extender for the Smart TV
functions,
and IR return to control his SkyHD box as well). In no time at all it was
all up and running without any hassles or head scratching - not more to ask
for from the hardware J

I've also used it successfully for feeding Full HD video and audio from a
remote BluRay player (30m from source to AVR) to an AVR, with another
extender then running HD video from AVR to screen (60m from AVR to screen)
and again it simply just works.

HD-Base-T switches are available now, prices are variable and can be
eye-watering for larger matrix models. If you don't need to fit right now
then it might be worth holding out for a few months as the next phase
should
include power over Cat5e for the receivers meaning no more faffing trying
to
hide wall-wart transformers (or attempting to steal 5v from TV USB sockets)
behind the TV. I'm not sure if a 4x2 HD-Base-T is planned, certainly there
will be 4x4, but Joe will have the details if you need them.

Neil B.

From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
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] On Behalf
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Sent: 16 December 2011 11:08
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems

Neil - really interested to see how you got on with the HD Base T stuff - I
spoke to Joe a few weeks ago as was interested in the Octava matrix kit. He
mentioned that there would be some new HD Base T switches out over the
coming 6 months or so. Have you heard anything?

Ideally I want a 4x2 or 4x2 matrix with HD Base T over my existing Cat5e
installed (via patch panel and wall plates unfortunately).

Cheers,

Paul.

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] On
Behalf Of Neil Ball
Sent: 15 December 2011 22:58
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems

You should be looking for a high-speed HDMI cable, the numbering scheme
(1.4
etc) relates to features of the HDMI chipset and has nothing to do with
cables. This is rated to achieve 10.2Gb/s which covers 3D, full HD audio
and
4k2k resolution for future proofing.

If you are looking for reliability then I would suggest going for a branded
cable providing costs are not too horrific, or look for a HDMI booster to
clean up the signal at the display. Cheap unbranded cables are unlikely to
have any testing so their performance is likely to be hit and miss. If you
want to talk to a company who supply good quality HDMI equipment and who
can
give excellent support then speak to Joe or John at The Media Factory - I
use their Octava HD-Base-T extenders in all of my installs now as they are
100% reliable and work over distances of upto 100m, and all over a single
good quality Cat5e cable. For "proper" HDMI cables I now either
use
Wireworld high-speed flat cables or Sanus highly flexible high-speed
cables.
However I would only go upto 5m with such a cable, after that I prefer to
use baluns with Cat5e.

Neil B.

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Sent: 15 December 2011 21:07
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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems

I've used 15m eBay "cheapies" at 1080p without issues ... but not
at 3D.

Phil

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> I've had success over 15m and 8m too. The 15 I can't remember the make
> but it was an expensive cable. The 8m is QED, given the choice I'd use
> this again.
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> Regards
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> Gary
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> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: long HDMI 1.4 cable problems
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> Yes, you'll likely have all kinds of problems over 5-8m or so (opinion
> varies). I recently went through a load of problems similar to you - I
> bought loads of supposedly good HDMI cables (v1.4 with Ethernet
> capable) from a web supplier HDCable. In the end I sent everything
> back (they had great cust service though) including a matrix switcher
> and HDMI over Cat5 extenders and bought some much more expensive QED
> cables. The QED cables were significantly thicker but obviously had
> better shielding. All works fine now with none of the picture/signal
> dropout that I had before.
>
> BTW - my longest run was only 5m too!
>
> I also had huge problems with kit not handshaking properly/at all with
> the lower priced cables.
>
> Being so used to scoffing at all the snake oil claims out there for
> analogue cables, the problems I had with HDMI came as quite a surprise
> - in this case buying expensive cables actually is worth it IMO.
>
> Oh, and my kit is a Panasonic 50" TX-P50GT30, a Pioneer VSX-LX55
and a
> Pioneer 3D bluray player. The 3D connection/recognition between the
> player/amp/TV was the most problematic - all solved now though.
>
> These are the cables I went with:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0045D0ER2
>
> I think the 10m cables are pretty expensive though. Also lots of
> people out there suggesting you really need an active cable with
> signal booster for cable runs over 5-8m (I read up a lot but opinion
> varies) - guess it's partly down to kit, cable quality, shielding and
> placement near other RF noisy stuff.
>
> Paul.
>
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> Sorry, 10m
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> Harris" <phil@...> wrote:
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> > Can't see a length anywhere?
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> > Phil
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> > > Subject: [ukha_d] long HDMI 1.4 cable problems
> > >
> > > I've bought a pair of HDMI cables. 1 works fine the other
refused
> to
> > > work. I returned it for a replacement. The new cable works
> > > intermittently - dropping the picture and then after a while
> > > recovering.
> > > This is an 1.4 cable working between a Sony BD player and
samsung
> 3D
> > > TV when working on 3D. Its Ok for SD.
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommnend a cable that will work reliably at
this
> length
> > > for 3D - I'd like to get it installed under the floor &
carpet
> > > down before Christmas (this year!)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > JonS
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